tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post1041942868789375885..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: Wishing For What You Can't HaveMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-43327828095956676982012-05-31T09:40:01.455-04:002012-05-31T09:40:01.455-04:00This is my comment in regards to a posting on More...This is my comment in regards to a posting on Morethedoxy advocating by Rabbi Gelman (I think) of making it a requirement for couples to sign a pre-nuptial agreement before a Rabbi can participate in a marriage ceremony of that couple. I posted it two days ago but still do not see it: <br /> <br />So your movement is obsessed with trying to validate homosexual relationships but you advocate not to marry a Jewish man and Jewish woman without a prenup. <br />Your movement, via Rabbi Lopatin, comes uncomfortably close to giving a stamp of approval to Chelsea Clinton’s marriage to a Jew, but chas v’shalom we should marry a ben Torah and a bas Yisroel without a prenup.<br />If a couple wants to do a prenup, it’s fine by me. I do, however, believe this is another area where your movement demonstrates exceedingly misguided priorities.<br />You want to validate what God considers to be an abomination, the act of homosexuality, but want to invalidate the possibility of a heterosexual couple building a bayis ne’eman b’yisroel simply because they don’t sign a prenup. <br />The Open Orthodox movement seems to be more concerned with the secularist’s view of that which is right and wrong than it is with the teachings of the Torah.<br />I find that my Atheist boss is closer to your way of thinking than what I was taught by my Rebbeim at my Modern Orthodox Day Schools, and what I am taught by my Rav at my Orthodox Union affiliated Shul.itchiemayer the non-Puritannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-37876479613236182372012-05-29T21:25:48.751-04:002012-05-29T21:25:48.751-04:00The few postings on the Morethedoxy site that actu...The few postings on the Morethedoxy site that actually get significant comments are the ones that the anti YCT/Riverdale crowd post and disprove the politically correct lefties. I have found that the host Rabbis (and Rabba) retreat when confronted with their intellectual dishonesty.<br /><br />Moreover, one of them actually had the audacity to come out with a "chiddush" suggesting that Avraham failed the test of the Akeida, and another defended this chiddush and none of the others expressed any opposition to it.<br /><br />So they want to reject halacha although they would not admit to that, and they slander the avos. <br /><br />By the way, I know plenty of orthodox women that are very, very happy being in communities where the women don't hold the Torah, don't have megilla readings, don't lead in the Hamotzei and other secular, egalitarian, liberal ideas the left comes up with.<br /><br />Oh, and not only that but they are Doctors and Lawyers and teachers and very fulfilled at home and in the Shul. <br /><br />Perhaps the shuls of which Rabbi Farber speaks are failing to provide the women with proper spiritually uplifting opportunites having nothing to do with feminism.<br /><br />Or perhaps the members of these shuls are too smitten with the secular world around us, and their Yiddishkeit is dare I say tainted.<br /><br />I am not definitively saying this is so, but I would like to see some introspection from the left as to whether some of their issues have to do with something lacking in the Torah being taught in their communities and perhaps the Rabbis are not challenging their kehillas to grow. After all, none of us should ever be comfortable where we hold. We are either growing spiritually or falling. If your goal is simply to make everyone feel good, then halacha is secondary.I'm not a Puritan, reb Asher L.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-78479057871322520602012-05-25T11:42:31.502-04:002012-05-25T11:42:31.502-04:00SJ-
I suggest you read the writings of Rav Eliezer...SJ-<br />I suggest you read the writings of Rav Eliezer Berkowitz. It might change your mind.Y. Ben-Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-86467559781919643422012-05-24T07:20:28.200-04:002012-05-24T07:20:28.200-04:00the problem in the Jewish world is not just the la...<b>the problem in the Jewish world is not just the lack of a person like Maimonides but that it seems that degree of rigorous thought in philosophy and religion just no longer exists.</b><br /><br />You can say that again.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com/2012/05/why-dont-jews-ever-talk-about-satan.html" rel="nofollow">http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com/2012/05/why-dont-jews-ever-talk-about-satan.html</a>SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-42333138335780897832012-05-24T03:35:52.365-04:002012-05-24T03:35:52.365-04:00the problem is simple that people like Maimonides ...the problem is simple that people like Maimonides who excelled in logic lived at a time when empirical investigation had not really gotten started. at least not like after the time of Galileo. the problem in the Jewish world is not just the lack of a person like Maimonides but that it seems that degree of rigorous thought in philosophy and religion just no longer exists. So while nowadays we benefit from the age of empirical thought, But we don't have anyone that can reason with the depth and rigor of the rambam. this makes a basic problem in the Jewish and also the Christian world that does not go away and apparently cant go away. however i do admit that in spite of this there has been some progress in Torah in the people that are able to see the depth of the rambam and in philosophy also there are a few people that are apparently doing some good work after a sad long period when western philosophy was simply vacuous. It seems to me the reform and conservative movement have not been made aware yet of how awful western philosophy has been since and including Hegel.Avraham https://www.blogger.com/profile/07822433921393627746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-56664599675681721922012-05-23T14:12:11.395-04:002012-05-23T14:12:11.395-04:00In all fairness, a lot of these gender roles were ...In all fairness, a lot of these gender roles were codified by the Rambam, who lived in a time before chimneys, stoves and spinning wheels. Just doing the basic jobs of feeding and clothing a family on the simplest scale took forever. There was also the mistaken belief that women's brains were inferior to men's brains--a belief that persists today.<br />However, I think this backlash is not against a woman's role in a synagogue, but what is becoming a woman's role in society. It is one thing for a woman to sit in the back of a synagogue. It is another to force her into the back of a bus. Unfortunately, this is what is happening now.AztecQueen2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371826731550331938noreply@blogger.com