tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post1156093946427441415..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: Another Step Towards Formal SeparationMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-77727205975781980542010-12-23T10:40:01.031-05:002010-12-23T10:40:01.031-05:00RAM, that's an important observation. Perhaps ...RAM, that's an important observation. Perhaps "Orthodox" has come to seen as synonymous with "genuine".Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-47892213776668626722010-12-23T08:23:12.591-05:002010-12-23T08:23:12.591-05:00"Orthodox" must be more popular than we ..."Orthodox" must be more popular than we realize, if the un-Orthodox charlatans keep using the term as a recruitment tool.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11088882748518758064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-66038077791321457142010-12-19T19:18:44.671-05:002010-12-19T19:18:44.671-05:00I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack. XD<a href="http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com/2010/12/if-you-are-lying-kiruvnic-i-will-catch.html" rel="nofollow">I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack. XD</a>SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-27104672353283943522010-12-17T15:11:59.542-05:002010-12-17T15:11:59.542-05:00The problem arising from the fact that anyone can ...The problem arising from the fact that anyone can use the term "Orthodox" emerges, in fact, from a legitimate issue, namely the very definition of "Orthodox" itself. Given the reality of eilu v'eilu it is indeed difficult to clearly define what is outside the pale and what is not. On the very issue of the parameters themselves you have the challenge of eilu v'eilu.<br /><br />The eventual yardstick may have to be how one relates to those who are clearly beyond the pale. The answer to the question "with whom do you associate" may have to be the final yardstick. What YCT has done, and the reason it is still on the fringe, beyond calling itself Orthodox is that it has maintained some type of distance from those who are not Orthodox. Much of he critique of YCT has been, though, that many of their graduates do identify with those outside the pale of Orthodoxy. You can't define yourself as Orthodox because you call yourself Orthodox but you can clearly challenge any self-definition of Orthodox by identifying with those who are not.<br /><br />This is the real challenge for this new "yeshiva". Many of the founders are associated with the Conservative movement (although they may now find themselves somewhat uncomfortable with this identification). The appointment of Rabbi Sperber as Chancellor is attempt to still allow the yeshiva to be defined somewhere within liberal Orthodoxy just as YCT -- and then from there to go to attempt to influence all of Orthodoxy. The problem is not only that YCT itself has failed in this attempt but that YCT has failed in spite of ensuring that it not be identified with the other branches of Judaism. This yeshiva already has factors that identify it with these branches -- how can it expect to do better that even YCT? What may happen is exactly the opposite. Associating with this yeshiva may be the issue that leads to Rabbi Sperber being defined as non-Orthodox by even those who now see him as within the pale.<br /><br />Rabbi Ben HechtNishmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237299801109329429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-78538189325758728952010-12-17T14:25:49.786-05:002010-12-17T14:25:49.786-05:00read my blog XD (http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com...read my blog XD (<a href="http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-shmuley-boteach-right-when-he-says.html" rel="nofollow">http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-shmuley-boteach-right-when-he-says.html</a>)SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-18122009928583373212010-12-17T14:24:30.574-05:002010-12-17T14:24:30.574-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-1864973901966485332010-12-16T07:50:42.692-05:002010-12-16T07:50:42.692-05:00I get a feeling this Yeshiva is being launched und...I get a feeling this Yeshiva is being launched under the premise "you gotta start somewhere" and "the best time to invest in Real Estate is today". This might just be an exercise in resume building. Like you said, we are in an economic downturn. This is, the best time to launch a business. People glom on to news of growth and renewal. I think this Yeshiva will focus more on marketing itself than obtaining authentic credibility.Ryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15125205253154768788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-47363587044864169222010-12-15T09:05:23.269-05:002010-12-15T09:05:23.269-05:00Keep pushing everyone away and noone will be left....Keep pushing everyone away and noone will be left.SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-28738754973204143192010-12-14T12:18:40.193-05:002010-12-14T12:18:40.193-05:00Ah, Rabbi Roy. Remember him well from Calgary.
A...Ah, Rabbi Roy. Remember him well from Calgary.<br /><br />Anyway, jobs is not the point. Doesn't it say in pirkei avos, "Do not make the Torah into a ... spade with which to dig."<br /><br />Just devil's advocate here, but perhaps they see the need as so deep, so great, that the employment end of things is just not relevant?<br /><br />Just read the CJN article. With the support of Tony Blair, what can go wrong?Jennifer in MamaLandhttp://ronypony.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com