tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post1822215094964776948..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: The Rush To CondemnMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-90245299780201630662012-03-16T09:05:23.146-04:002012-03-16T09:05:23.146-04:00I think this university even allows using these pi...I think this university even allows using these pills for valid medical reasons!Bob Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-37099552956589207582012-03-16T08:35:08.863-04:002012-03-16T08:35:08.863-04:00Yes, and I noted in my post:
There are, after all,...Yes, and I noted in my post:<br />There are, after all, many valid reasons for using the birth control pill such as difficulties with menstruation, regulation of periods, control of bleeding, etc. She didn't say she wanted the Pill for any of those things.<br /><br />Had Ms Fluke stuck with this approach: "The Pill has many valid medical uses and the school's policy denies people suffering from certain conditions access to the treatment of choice" then she would easily have won this debate.Might Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-23907587469946868562012-03-16T01:22:58.984-04:002012-03-16T01:22:58.984-04:00Garnel - did you read the second page of the PDF, ...Garnel - did you read the second page of the PDF, where she was speaking about her friend with PCOS who was denied coverage?Law momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01859590966207623757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-30556411704906105662012-03-15T14:55:21.567-04:002012-03-15T14:55:21.567-04:00One quibble Bob. Painful and/or heavy menses and ...One quibble Bob. Painful and/or heavy menses and endometriosis are not as rare as one might think and are valid indications for the Pill. Just to be fair. but that's my point again even after reading the PDF. Had Ms Fluke started off by saying that the Pill was used for various medical indications independent of birth control and that the Catholic schools were therefore denying coverage for treatment to certain women she might have had a point. But she never claimed that's why she needed coverage for what is a voluntarily used product for most.Might Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-50721120268475748762012-03-15T13:53:56.461-04:002012-03-15T13:53:56.461-04:00Except in rare cases, birth control pills are not ...Except in rare cases, birth control pills are not medications and serve no medical purpose such that any medical plan ought to include it. <br /><br />The pills are lifestyle enhancers, and those who want to live that life should buy those pills on their own dime, just as they would buy video games or whatever. A naive person might even expect a Catholic university to follow its own religious tenets on birth control and not to encourage sex out of wedlock either.<br /><br />In some prior, better time the idea that taxpayers should kick in to support immorality would be sneered at universally.Bob Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-44270874792457764942012-03-15T10:13:16.770-04:002012-03-15T10:13:16.770-04:00Richie, I've read the pdf.
"Reproductive ...Richie, I've read the pdf.<br />"Reproductive Justice" - first clue there's something wrong. Women do not have a right to medical coverage for contraception. They have other cheaper options including abstinence. "Justice" is a socialist code word for entitlement. She's losing me already.<br /><br />"I attend a Jesuit law school" - imagine this statement: I attend Yeshiva University Law School and can't get a decent slice of bacon for breakfast anywhere! Honestly, she's going to a Catholic school and is shocked - shocked! - that they don't cover birth control? Was she raised in a cave?<br /><br />"how embarrassed and powerless she felt" - please, this is PC talk redux. She wants contraception but doesn't want to pay for it. I'll let the Afghan War Widows association know that I've find someone harder up than them.<br /><br />"report struggling financially" - look, at no point yet has she mentioned valid medical reasons for contraception. Women who can't afford safe sex shouldn't be having sex, just like men who can't afford safe sex shouldn't be. She wants something unaffordable to her and wants someone else to pay for it.<br /><br />"whose medical needs are good enough" - well yes, if I'm paying for you to have something for a specific reason I would like to know that the reason is valid. I mean, I worked once at a Conservative camp where almost all the girls 15 years old and over were on birth control "to regulate their periods" which is bovine faeces but at least they tried to come up with a medical excuse. And it wouldn't be hard to say "Prove you've got a problem and we'll pay for the pills" instead of simply covering them for everybody.<br /><br />"What did we expect when we enrolled at a Catholic school?" Clearly she expected the Catholic school to drop its rules in favour of her secular values. Silly Catholics, what were they thinking? Starting frying the bacon at YU guys!<br /><br />In summary: she wants her Catholic school to pick up an expense for her, no questions asked. In fact, questions being asked are offensive. Just give her the damn pills and pay for them happily.<br /><br />No, I haven't changed my mind about her.Might Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-45344730836569221422012-03-15T06:09:27.379-04:002012-03-15T06:09:27.379-04:00It wasn't really an apology so much as it was ...It wasn't really an apology so much as it was something that totally humiliated the Democrats saying that in these serious times we're discussing recreational sexual activities before Congress.<br /><br />I'm not against Rush's method of apologizing to libs though. XDSJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-68283120126402248672012-03-15T03:45:12.600-04:002012-03-15T03:45:12.600-04:00Let's leave Canada out of it for now, for whic...Let's leave Canada out of it for now, for which I admittedly have no experience and limited knowledge. <br /><br />My point was that medical insurance in the US (with which I *do* have experience) is nearly always obtained through an employer (or school, in this case). A Catholic institution will likely have employees of different religions, as would a Jewish institution. Otherwise, there would be an issue of discrimination in hiring practices. In the current arrangement, every institution must view itself as a "common carrier" of healthcare, and cannot "filter out" objectionable content. In other words, it's just a necessary part of doing business - you provide healthcare, and don't focus on the details, which are largely between the insurer (not your institution) and the insured (your employee, again not the institution).<br /><br />Most importantly, though, you ignored that you are not addressing at all what Sandra Fluke said. You are taking Rush Limbaugh at his word for that, for which he issued a half-hearted apology and minimal retraction. The hearings did not address her personal sex life in any way. (see PDF link in my prior comment)Richie Sevrinskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15153879406043879145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-1671733921980279252012-03-14T17:48:41.346-04:002012-03-14T17:48:41.346-04:00Richie, up in Canada there is lots about medicine ...Richie, up in Canada there is lots about medicine that is not socialized. If you're not on welfare or over 65 you have no automatic drug coverage. You either get it through your job or you buy into a private plan so it's not so different.<br />A Catholic institution should be able to tell their drug plan provider which products to include in the package and which to exclude.Might Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-62982215668712744272012-03-14T15:49:49.389-04:002012-03-14T15:49:49.389-04:00Sandra Fluke said none of these things - you'r...Sandra Fluke said none of these things - you're paraphrasing Rush Limbaugh misquoting her. <br /><br />See here:<br /><br />http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Testimony_-_Sandra_Fluke.pdf<br /><br />The issue at stake is health insurance obtained through a school or business. This is due to the fact that the US does not have a socialized healthcare system. However, the end result is that a religious school or employer is then peripherally involved (in many cases, subsidizing) in providing medical services that they may be morally opposed to, such as contraceptives or abortions. <br /><br />The Republicans don't have an easy way out of this bind. On one hand, they're leery of socialized healthcare and would prefer to maintain private insurance. But on the other hand, they support the institutions' right to refuse part of health services on religious or moral grounds.<br /><br />They haven't provided a viable option for easy access to all aspects of necessary healthcare.<br /><br />Of course, since you're Canadian, I'll give you a free pass on this one...Richie Sevrinskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15153879406043879145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-91070574883788998972012-03-14T15:31:59.467-04:002012-03-14T15:31:59.467-04:00AZQ, consider the following:
Ms Fluke is admitting...AZQ, consider the following:<br />Ms Fluke is admitting she's a single woman who wants to have sex without worrying about pregnancy. She has another option - just don't have sex. Yes, that's really a choice even though people tend to dismiss it. Look, I can't afford the financial consequences of a beach house in the Barbados so I don't invest in any activities that will lead to me getting one. She can't afford a kid. She should therefore avoid activities that lead to one.<br /><br />Canuck, I agree with your points but my point was that Rush just handed them what they were looking for without reserving any moral advantage for himselfMighty Garnel Ironheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-61676172435536047682012-03-14T14:42:04.643-04:002012-03-14T14:42:04.643-04:00The aim of those vilifying Rush is to shut down de...The aim of those vilifying Rush is to shut down debate about Obamacare. This has nothing to do with Rush; he's just a symbol for leftists and useful idiots, who on faith alone believe Rush is a bad guy and a Conservative extremist.Canucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-16853147367474497992012-03-14T14:17:34.068-04:002012-03-14T14:17:34.068-04:00Why blame Rush? Those who support the leftist age...Why blame Rush? Those who support the leftist agenda are often much more vitriolic in their language, and unlike Rush, refuse to apologize. If Rush hadn't stepped into this debate, the mainstream media (i.e. hacks for the Democratic Party) would have found some other conservative symbol to tar and feather.Canucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-19123955944799240432012-03-14T11:52:15.824-04:002012-03-14T11:52:15.824-04:00Given the number of married individuals who choose...Given the number of married individuals who choose to use contraceptives, your argument is disingenuous. Ultimately, the Pill is expensive, as are most effective methods of birth control. (Condoms are not considered as effective because they can break.) Also, if Ms. Fluke were to bring a child into the world because she was denied the necessary funds to pay for effective birth control, how would she provide for it? She would be a college dropout in an economy where even college graduates have a hard time finding sustainable employment. <br />Also, given that 98% of Catholics use birth control of some form or another, your argument is again, disingenuous.AztecQueen2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371826731550331938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-40273183609394127432012-03-14T08:33:35.408-04:002012-03-14T08:33:35.408-04:00She probably is a hoe.She probably is a hoe.SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.com