tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post3384001158391256399..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: Hysterical Fear or Accurate ForeshadowingMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-62481884602224442422012-07-27T07:24:51.449-04:002012-07-27T07:24:51.449-04:00Last Anonymous-
You stated:
----------------------...Last Anonymous-<br />You stated:<br />----------------------------------<br />The modern state of Israel is a millstone around the necks of the Jewish people. Most people who were born there would rather have been born anywhere else.<br />-----------------------------------<br /><br />Could you provide some evidence for your last assertion? Public opinion polls show the vast majority of Israeli BOTH JEWISH AND ARAB are quite content with their lives, more than Americans are.Y. Ben-Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-34113527341337089982012-07-24T16:01:11.437-04:002012-07-24T16:01:11.437-04:00America is in decline and Israel will go down with...America is in decline and Israel will go down with it.<br /><br />The modern state of Israel is a millstone around the necks of the Jewish people. Most people who were born there would rather have been born anywhere else.<br /><br />The secularists built a state that is doomed for failure. The problem is that its failures affect innocent Jews who are not Zionists but who are targets for terror thanks to the state and its follies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-24921426461882277302012-07-23T11:27:05.733-04:002012-07-23T11:27:05.733-04:00We should want to be zoche that Mashiach comes and...We should want to be zoche that Mashiach comes and takes over. As with Queen Esther, everyone will think he's one of them. The politicians can then go back to productive activity in learning, business, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-20148777904940940992012-07-23T07:58:42.863-04:002012-07-23T07:58:42.863-04:00I agree with you that the article you quoted is fe...I agree with you that the article you quoted is fear-mongering, and nothing more.<br /><br />Contrary to the prejudice in the media, the Charedi community is not a monolithic bloc, and do not agree with each other on most of the issues in the article.<br /><br />Many of the issues raised (e.g., single-sex public transportation) is supported by a tiny minority of Charedim, even if the Charedim were to be a majority in the government, there is no way that these issues would become national policy.Michael Sedleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02684514303911193073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-69333154297792395542012-07-23T04:01:16.596-04:002012-07-23T04:01:16.596-04:00(1) Running Israel is the farthest thing from the...(1) Running Israel is the farthest thing from the minds of the Haredi leadership. They are primarily concerned about their own community. They are nothing like the Islamic parties in the Arab countries who claim that those countries will not advance unless the society at large adopts Islamic values. The Haredim have no plan on how Israel is to be run "according to Halacha". They don't think about it and they don't have any anticipation of it happening.<br /><br />(2) To Anonymous-<br />We just celebrated our 26th anniversary of our aliyah from Southern California. Almost all the people we know who came at the same time as us, and those who followed are making it successfully here in Israel. We are identified with the National Religious-Religious Zionist camp and live in a mixed religious-secular city near Tel Aviv. We have never thought of going back for one moment.<br />Yes, you have to work hard, but we see the children of our group studying in yeshiva and then university and making it in good professions.<br />It is much easier to make it in Israel today than it was 3 decades ago.....the internet, the convertibility of the shekel, the stability of the Israeli economy have greatly improved things.<br />The important things that are needed are<br />(1) A profession that Israel needs<br />in order to be able to make a living.<br />(2) A willingness to interact with Israelis and not to wall oneself-off socially.<br />(3) A desire and the will-power to learn to speak Hebrew at least passably.<br /><br />More and more North Americans are coming and succeeding here and the break-downh of the old, corrupt, stagnant MAPAI-socialist system means that people can get ahead without "proteksia" so talent and hard-work are more rewarded today than they were in the bad-old-days.<br /><br />The Jewish future is in Israel. America is in decline and it will drag down American Jewry with it. Now is the time to seriously contemplate the significance of these facts.Y. Ben-Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-34561673089919147902012-07-23T03:45:34.219-04:002012-07-23T03:45:34.219-04:002 of the reasons you say you think the fears of a ...2 of the reasons you say you think the fears of a Charedi 'takeover' are overblown are:<br />1 - Their inability to act together.<br />2 - The Israel Supreme Court<br /><br />To which I would say:<br /><br />1 - They've actually done a pretty good job of acting together over the last decade or so. The manner in which Shas has aligned itself with UTJ over the draft issue is a chilling example.<br />2 - You're aware that the Knesset has quite a bit of clout over the appointments to the Supreme Court, right? And they could change the law to give themselves full control over this.YSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-73360063734422145072012-07-22T15:45:23.051-04:002012-07-22T15:45:23.051-04:00Garnel:
Maybe you could write some posts on crack...Garnel:<br /><br />Maybe you could write some posts on cracking the code of living successfully in eretz? Like a public service – an occasional encouragement to people not to be afraid to live there; that there is a way. We mainly hear how people just cannot make it work.<br /><br />TuviaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-11985970985030571682012-07-22T15:15:18.062-04:002012-07-22T15:15:18.062-04:00I think you missed the point of my post.
Prof. Sha...I think you missed the point of my post.<br />Prof. Shapiro seems really worried about a takeover of Israeli society by the Chareidim and that the state will subsequently come to resemble Saudi Arabia. My point is that I don't think this will happen although I agree that if they were in charge they just might try such narishkeit.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-56899490321237040092012-07-22T14:59:43.010-04:002012-07-22T14:59:43.010-04:00Whatever..
However, were you to actually make the...Whatever..<br /><br />However, were you to actually make the sacrifice to move and live here, you would likely find it not so easy to be such an absolutist. When you have to live here and craft a functional society, you actually have to deal with the grey areas you are able to conveniently ignore from 6000 miles away.<br /><br />Like I said, it's quite easy to be such a fire breathing zionist in Canada.<br /><br />I tired of that phony feeling. That's why I brought my family here.SALnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-78444591351762521132012-07-22T14:47:52.662-04:002012-07-22T14:47:52.662-04:00I may live in Canada but I am a Jew first and fore...I may live in Canada but I am a Jew first and foremost. Therefore what happens in Israel is always of importance to me.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-26418814023985991072012-07-22T14:34:16.784-04:002012-07-22T14:34:16.784-04:00As far as is discernable from this blog, you live ...As far as is discernable from this blog, you live in Canada, and do not seem to have any immediate plans to relocate to Israel. Thus, I am fascinated by your unending punditry and concern regarding internal Israeli politics and social affairs. You are, no doubt, Canada's biggest Zionist. You must be quite proud.SALnoreply@blogger.com