tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post5134666906448941653..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: You Can't Maintain The Darkness ForeverMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-65999875692502461362012-06-18T22:04:05.834-04:002012-06-18T22:04:05.834-04:00Interesting. Great if it works this way.
The othe...Interesting. Great if it works this way.<br /><br />The other, less optimistic way of looking at it: these people---who’re beginning to venture into the working world as they maintain their essential chareidi principles are moving to the left... to where they’re just a bit to the right of, say, Lakewood.<br /><br />One could say, Well, inch by inch---but as we see here in the US, it doesn’t seem to trend that way: intellectual laziness, abdicating every issue to rabbonim, halachic fetishism, and the security of parochialism vs the scary, corrupt outside world... the pull is just too strongjrsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-67468564457182828682012-06-18T07:27:52.625-04:002012-06-18T07:27:52.625-04:00Great article, imagine the howling of those who ju...Great article, imagine the howling of those who just "missed" the acceptability era of talking a working son-in-law as opposed to a sleeping-learning-coffee drinking ones.Pragmaticianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08724757238921859366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-30444401310554125092012-06-18T01:53:26.193-04:002012-06-18T01:53:26.193-04:00Excellent post. All anecdotal indications here on ...Excellent post. All anecdotal indications here on the ground in Israel support your analysis. <br /><br />I would also add that many of us believe that the escalation of extremist behavior within the Chareidi community is a response to this change. As is the severe reaction to the internet by so-called "Daas Torah".Michael Lipkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501487897038161582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-14636014950885612242012-06-18T01:08:11.748-04:002012-06-18T01:08:11.748-04:00how the hell did judaism get so anti intellectual?...how the hell did judaism get so anti intellectual?SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-10363752050557423662012-06-18T00:22:44.377-04:002012-06-18T00:22:44.377-04:00great post. i hope this is true.great post. i hope this is true.frum single femalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592899863773572708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-44037779914011106622012-06-17T12:03:44.373-04:002012-06-17T12:03:44.373-04:00High time! the Torah way is not to hide in some k...High time! the Torah way is not to hide in some kollel and read books all day. The Torah is meant to be applied to to one's life. That's why there are laws about the military, farming, and running a business. Otherwise, it may as well have stayed in Shamayim.AztecQueen2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371826731550331938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-84947803003037627002012-06-17T10:57:18.460-04:002012-06-17T10:57:18.460-04:00in other words, kollel people are on the level of ...in other words, kollel people are on the level of occupy wall street.SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-21585909187011963412012-06-17T03:18:13.585-04:002012-06-17T03:18:13.585-04:00in spite of the greatness of learning Torah I am f...in spite of the greatness of learning Torah I am forced to agree with you.I happen to know the amazing energy that is at the core of Torah.But I have been forced to conclude that using the Torah as a shovel to make a living is wrong. This is not just wrong in terms of it being asur according to all poskim. It is wrong in its effects also. I creates a mentality of people to think they are the masters and those not in kollel were created just to serve them. They see themselves as a entirely new species that has evolved above the dreg of us ami haartetz. If this would be true then perhaps i would not mind. But there is nothing to indicate that people in kollel are any more or less moral than Joe smo down the street. They consider themselves as heroes and gods. No they are just trying to make a buck in the only way they know how.<br />They think they are fighting evil. No. Firemen, the IDF, the American Air-force, doctors, policemen the FBI and the CIA fight evil. They protect the free society we live in and help people in need. People in kollel are dong none of this.Avraham https://www.blogger.com/profile/07822433921393627746noreply@blogger.com