tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post5393301118969153625..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: How Would It Have EvolvedMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-55954245240391427192012-06-16T23:54:20.216-04:002012-06-16T23:54:20.216-04:00The only myth here is that you think that Haredim ...The only myth here is that you think that Haredim aren't aware of these realities.<br /><br />We are well aware of the diasterous situation that faced EE Jewry between the world wars. The Imrei Emes of Gur himself commented that he had no one to marry his boys off to (before B"Y)<br /><br />What we hearken back to is the quality of the ones who remained frum, not the quantityharediandproudhttp://harediandproud.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-80733665973199736682012-06-15T13:58:29.314-04:002012-06-15T13:58:29.314-04:00The stereotype of the "uncouth Jew" was ...The stereotype of the "uncouth Jew" was alive and well in the 1800s--which is why Rabbi Yisrael Salanter started the Mussar Movement. Many people, especially girls, were either homeschooled or attended secular schools. Few people could have supported a son-in-law in learning, much less several (remember that line in the song "Tradition" about "at ten I learn a trade"--working was the norm, even for prominent sages like the Chofetz Chaim.) People were poor. You were lucky to have one oven of your own, much less two and a full Pesach kitchen. And forget all the silver. We've created a fantasy that never existed.AztecQueen2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371826731550331938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-35964217624601621202012-06-15T11:37:19.763-04:002012-06-15T11:37:19.763-04:00>> relied on a great deal of gentile exclusi...>> relied on a great deal of gentile exclusionism and Jew-hatred to maintain the loyalty of the faithful<br /><br />crappy foundation.<br /><br />how about relying on good ideas to maintain the loyalty of the faithful? that too much to ask?SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-73952827949726855302012-06-15T10:32:23.559-04:002012-06-15T10:32:23.559-04:00I get so annoyed when people make up stories of wh...I get so annoyed when people make up stories of what the "alte heim" was like, painting picturesque little towns filled with "pushiter yidden." <br /><br />As you said, Europe contained a highly diverse Jewish population. Everyone likes to think that all Jews were chassidish, which is not remotely accurate. <br /><br />My mother, for instance, spend her childhood in "the old country." And she is constantly saying, "Don't tell me what life was like there. I know what life was like there!" <br /><br />It doesn't get any glamor points, the old world. Food was often scarce, antisemitism rampant, moving socially upwards impossible. It sucked a lot of the time. <br /><br />That's why my grandparents loved THIS country.Princess Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17217157534383672867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-33181361373782848352012-06-15T09:46:28.257-04:002012-06-15T09:46:28.257-04:00Interesting thought.
Czarist persecution and late...Interesting thought.<br /><br />Czarist persecution and later Soviet persecution would have altered and shaped the Jewish communities, even without the Holocaust. We see what happened with the Russian Jews who survived the war.<br /><br />People take a nostalgic view of Fiddler on the Roof, without really noticing that it's actually about the assaults on "tradition". Hodel, after all, marries a Bolshevik, and Chava intermarries, while the rest of the shtetl presumably emigrates.Law momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01859590966207623757noreply@blogger.com