tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post6639131206742845345..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: The Dysfunctional MarriageMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-73194691523810737562012-03-20T06:49:39.123-04:002012-03-20T06:49:39.123-04:00Anonymous said...
adam zur, there are plenty of m...Anonymous said...<br /><br />adam zur, there are plenty of mo rabbis of the first order. r shechter and his top students in the us can match anyone.<br /><br />I can be wrong. If r shechter is a talmid chacham then i am happy to concurAvraham https://www.blogger.com/profile/07822433921393627746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-55377656365250849062012-03-12T17:47:00.195-04:002012-03-12T17:47:00.195-04:00Bravo for having the guts to say this. I've be...Bravo for having the guts to say this. I've been saying this (or pieces of this) for years in far less eloquent fashion. While I don't think that outright boycott is ever a good idea, we need to make our voices heard. When a local restaurant declares that they're going to go gebruchsts free for pesach, or uphold whatever the newest and silliest chumrah of the month is, we need to tell them we disapprove, and that we liked their produce better the other way. When we buy siddurim for shuls, maybe Artscroll should not be the default choice.Ari E-Bhttp://www.elias-bachrach.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-29606119964264058112012-03-12T17:06:03.437-04:002012-03-12T17:06:03.437-04:00"...You can check out any time you like/But y..."...You can check out any time you like/But you can never leave..."Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13525977869500274123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-47591016250992472562012-03-12T13:38:09.944-04:002012-03-12T13:38:09.944-04:00adam zur, there are plenty of mo rabbis of the fir...adam zur, there are plenty of mo rabbis of the first order. r shechter and his top students in the us can match anyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-65639376800250703432012-03-11T18:06:39.861-04:002012-03-11T18:06:39.861-04:00YBD- You are correct that one should not live with...YBD- You are correct that one should not live with a permanent inferiority complex or spend all one's time worrying about what others are thinking. However one is also not under an obligation to continually hold oneself out for abuse. It seems reasonable to me for concerned MOs like Garnel to start asking how dependent the MO community has become on their Haredi counterparts, and to what degree this is to their benefit-- communally, intellectually, and spiritually.<br /><br />Re-asserting ownership over community norms and practices, carving out space for intellectual rigor and discipline (theoretical and practical), and asserting their point of view proudly and clearly to people who want to hear it, need not be specifically antagonistic to the Haredi world. Rather, it would seem to be the best way for the MO community to revitalize itself, remind itself what it stands for, and truly, as you say, live its Torah. It is hard to be proud of yourself when you live in someone else's shadow.Friar Yidhttp://friaryid.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-81448853952037024352012-03-11T10:12:55.622-04:002012-03-11T10:12:55.622-04:00"Ahdut" means to love all Jews, regardle..."Ahdut" means to love all Jews, regardless of political affiliation. I do not blame the rank-and-file Haredim for things their leadership do. While I do give tzedaka to individual Haredim, I do not give money to Haredi institutions that I don't agree with.<br />So what if the Aguda Daf Yomi siyum doesn't invite Rabbanim you like to sit on the dais? Is the world going to come to an end because of it? Too many non-Haredim have a love-hate relationship with the Haredi world. Too many non-Haredi Jews seem to crave Haredi approval even while they are very critical of them Why? . So what if we don't get their approval?<br />Here in Israel there are plenty of avenues for non-Haredim to learn Torah without compromising their beliefs. The National Religious world has many yeshivot, Rabbanim, poskim and sofrei st'am. Also Tzedaka organizations to donate to.<br />It is time to stop having an inferiority complex and a chip on one's shoulder. Live your Torah as you feel you should and don't worry about what other people are thinking.Y. Ben-Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-4037249778382470682012-03-11T08:01:58.345-04:002012-03-11T08:01:58.345-04:00you must know by now that i am no friend to the ch...you must know by now that i am no friend to the chaderi world but even I have to admit the the level of Talmudic scholarship in the Litvak Charedi world is vastly superior to all rivals. (Art Scroll is a exception and Agudah is an exception. Both are highly intellectually challenged.) But look some of the magazines of Talmudic scholarship put out by charedi kollels in Israel like the one in ramot -gimel (kollel HaRan) or the books of Steinman. you know I don't think that they are great-- but they are a million light years beyond anything else coming out in the frum or non frum world.Avraham https://www.blogger.com/profile/07822433921393627746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-89584084391563973252012-03-11T05:50:48.137-04:002012-03-11T05:50:48.137-04:00The non-chareidi world's failure to produce te...The non-chareidi world's failure to produce teachers for its children is ultimately our downfall. For all the non-chareidi world "gives" the chareidi world in money and recognition, it has come about as a result of three generations that have been taught to look to them for leadership in Torah. <br /><br />The Mohel's interaction with the child ends where it begins, at eight days old. I can buy a sofer's tefillin without learning the details of his hashkafa. <br /><br />However, the chareidi teacher, even in a non-chareidi school, will strive to impart what he considers to be "The Truth" of Torah to our youngest and most impressionable.<br /><br />I think the only answer, if non-chareidi Orthodoxy is to survive, is divorce. It doesn't mean we have to stop buying their tefillin or their shechita. We can hold their worldview is treif without denying that they follow valid methods and take appropriate precautions in the slaughter house. But, we do need to find more suitable educators, and stop standing in fear of being labeled an "apikores" for not accepting the scholarship of their so-called "Gedolim". Non-chareidi rabbis who will publicly state opinions contrary to the so-called "Gedolim" are few. It's time to empower our own leaders to turn to the chareidim and and say your leaders may be a Talmidei chachimim but they don't have what takes to be a true leader and manhig of klal yisrael. We require a bit more worldly knowledge, as was required for a position in the Sanhedrin, in our leaders.ahgnoreply@blogger.com