tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post708990791686601620..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: How To Deal With The Women Of The WallMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-20656154016664637642013-06-13T08:18:33.894-04:002013-06-13T08:18:33.894-04:00They have picked and chosen those public Jewish ri...They have picked and chosen those public Jewish rituals they find personally <a href="http://www.bingoonlineitalia.it/" rel="nofollow">bingo online</a> meaningful, redefined the word Judaism to create a new religion that only cares about those things and then demanded equal access to the Walls since they call what they practice "Judaism".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08932444833550798696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-25281736163587827932013-06-10T20:13:34.284-04:002013-06-10T20:13:34.284-04:00Great analysis of WoW. And Chana makes a good poi...Great analysis of WoW. And Chana makes a good point too - the chareidim have learned lots from the Arabs. Both about rioting and (some) about tzniut.shmildanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-30342494950564677492013-06-10T19:22:42.763-04:002013-06-10T19:22:42.763-04:00"Demand calm from the Hareidi protesters"..."Demand calm from the Hareidi protesters"?? Gimme a break. The kanoim LOVE this stuff- its a permissable break from morning or afternoon seder, they get some exercise, and the time they spent away from their learning was not devoted to looking for a job. These days, they thrive on this stuff, and it its not Women of the Wall, it will be something else. <br /><br /><br />The point is: this behaviour is becoming ingrained within the hareidi psyche, and all of their conflicts, whether against the state, against the army, against immodest women/restaurants/newspapers/street corners/ kittens/ dogs/ concerts--its gotten to the point that they HAVE to be against something. How or what can be done to reverse this sui generis is beyond me.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-25549784424679308592013-06-09T23:05:14.143-04:002013-06-09T23:05:14.143-04:00In principle, it's not good to make a policy o...In principle, it's not good to make a policy of catering to the rioters. Up until now, authorities had been giving in to Haredi rioters, just as they have been giving in to Moslem rioters on Har HaBayit, just as the world has been giving in to Moslem rioters in general.<br />Maybe the Haredi rioters have been learning from the Moslems.Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13525977869500274123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-68066640520158583112013-06-09T19:32:20.666-04:002013-06-09T19:32:20.666-04:00Go to the reform synagogues and daven regular tefi...Go to the reform synagogues and daven regular tefillotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-47282805583161387372013-06-09T13:39:49.465-04:002013-06-09T13:39:49.465-04:00"Grant permission on condition of a total med..."Grant permission on condition of a total media blackout"<br /><br />Not bad in some ways, but one needs serious and compelling cause to override freedom of the press.<br /><br />"It may be fine with you but it isn't so fine with people who want to daven shacharit Rosh Chodesh at a normal hour and get to work"<br /><br />I don't know many people who can come to a 7:00 Rosh Chodesh minyan and get to work unless they daven fast and live next to the minyan.<br /><br />"How about moving their demonstration to a later hour since they neither need or want to be concerned with zmanim and men do?"<br /><br />What if they have jobs too? I'm assuming they already have to arrange to come in late on Rosh Chodesh as is. <br />Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13525977869500274123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-5511742255469058942013-06-09T13:15:20.568-04:002013-06-09T13:15:20.568-04:00It may be fine with you but it isn't so fine w...It may be fine with you but it isn't so fine with people who want to daven shacharit Rosh Chodesh at a normal hour and get to work.How about moving their demonstration to a later hour since they neither need or want to be concerned with zmanim and men do?<br /><br /> Better idea. Grant permission on condition of a total media blackout. No press coverage, no tweets (there was a surprising amount of social media traffic going for people who were supposed to be praying), no blogging. Not before, during or after. If you can mess with Jewish civil rights to pray on Har HaBayt because it might upset the Arabs and cause them to riot, you can certainly use the same argument to cut off their attention fix.2 sesnse plainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-71377480072036316062013-06-09T10:33:31.751-04:002013-06-09T10:33:31.751-04:00Yes, but you can use the police to keep the haredi...Yes, but you can use the police to keep the haredim out of the kotel area for the hour it takes the WoW to finish praying at 7AM on Rosh Hodesh. It looks like that's what they decided to do, and that's fine with me.Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13525977869500274123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-54036095106657764582013-06-09T07:33:44.020-04:002013-06-09T07:33:44.020-04:00This is a great post except one line: "The mo...This is a great post except one line: "The most important thing to do is to demand calm from the Chareidi side." You may as well demand cats to stop eating mice or gravity to stop attracting things to each other.Moshe Laymorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733148985966222570noreply@blogger.com