tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post7944350740492280824..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: And Will You Draft Them?Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-973497920973999822012-03-02T05:10:03.720-05:002012-03-02T05:10:03.720-05:00I agree Rav Shach was Gadol and I also agree that ...I agree Rav Shach was Gadol and I also agree that Rav Ovadia Yoseph is extremely smart. But the place where I would look for gedulah --the Litvish Gedolim are not. Read a bit what they have written and you will see for yourself. However I admit they can learn. That much I will grant to you. But does this level of learning justify the changing th halacha from one must not take money for learning Torah to one must. Or changing the halacha to fight in a war of protecting the Jewish people--milcheme mizvah--in which you draft even a bride out of her bride-chamber. All the More so in this case in which learning Torah is not a petur from doing even the smallest mitzvah--much less this greatest of all mitvot.Avraham https://www.blogger.com/profile/07822433921393627746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-17514653839002468692012-03-02T05:00:22.477-05:002012-03-02T05:00:22.477-05:00http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com/2012/03/worst-re...<a href="http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com/2012/03/worst-religion-ever-reward-goes-to.html" rel="nofollow">http://thoughtsofasj.blogspot.com/2012/03/worst-religion-ever-reward-goes-to.html</a> XDSJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-41243137560907190372012-03-01T17:50:25.605-05:002012-03-01T17:50:25.605-05:00I think any future exemptions should require the a...I think any future exemptions should require the applicant to have passed the Bagrut. This will end the ghastly lack of secular education in the chareidi world, and enable those that want to earn a parnasah after the army to have a better opportunity.<br /><br />It's ridiculous that ex-chareidim are driven to sue the state of Israel for depriving them of a basic education because they turned a blind eye to what goes on in the chareidi schools.ahgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-23638297897564304232012-03-01T14:57:39.801-05:002012-03-01T14:57:39.801-05:00I have to disagree with your analogy. If you choo...I have to disagree with your analogy. If you choose not to go to a bar it has no impact on anyone other than the person who might now take the stool you would have been sitting on.<br />When tens of thousands of able men refuse to do army service it affects hundreds of thousands of others who have to pick up their slack. The two situations are not comparable.<br />Furthermore, the more religious Jews in the army there are, the more the army will have to adjust to their religious sensitivities.<br />Finally, yes Torah study is what maintains the world but the simplistic "We're the protectors of Israel because we sit at learn" wore thin a long time ago. First, there are tragically too many examples of Torah observant communities whose Torah didn't protect them (and there's always a reason that comes out afterwards, like they talked in shul or didn't give enough tzedakah, etc) and you can't expect me to believe that the kavannah to learn for the sake of protecting Israel ever comes up in that community.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-84341430710531918182012-03-01T12:34:43.383-05:002012-03-01T12:34:43.383-05:00I think that all these comments are a little extre...I think that all these comments are a little extreme. <br /><br />Yes, the charedi community does not at the current time serve in the army but i do think that as religious jews they choose not to join in the same way that i choose not to go to bars or clubs. the atmosphere is just not conducive to spiritual growth. <br /><br />As for them just sitting and doing nothing..you can hardly say that learning torah is nothing and has no impact on the protection of Gds people. Torah is what keeps the world going. <br /><br />And as for no real torah being learned in Israel since the Chazon Ish?!!! that is a bit arrogant and small minded. How do you know? Really? You dont think that any of the gedolim who live their are good enough for you?!!<br /><br />Hundreds of boys are learning daily, thousands of pages of gemara are studied. Do all of the bochrim learn all the time..no. But everyone takes a coffee break at their jobs. Yes some people are abusing the system but i hardly think its fair to condemn an entire group of people based on a stereotype and generalization. You cannot possibly know what goes on in every single yeshiva, in every house.aminspirationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02226594722883362146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-51796385365452905712012-03-01T11:08:06.290-05:002012-03-01T11:08:06.290-05:00I say, turn off the financial tap. Deny them the r...I say, turn off the financial tap. Deny them the right to vote. And, if they respond with violence, arrest every single last one of themAztecQueen2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/09371826731550331938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-24212161127416901182012-03-01T06:26:52.224-05:002012-03-01T06:26:52.224-05:00I think the problem was hubris. as you say it got ...I think the problem was hubris. as you say it got to be ingrained that they were a privileged elite and that the secular population was there only to serve them. This went far beyond hashkafa. yeshivot became private clubs to sit and chat all day. no serious learning has come out of Israel since the chazon ish. The present day gedolim --some can learn. But in spite of their being litvaks reb ovadiah can learn better than them--(and he makes less mistakes--or no mistakes as far i i can tell.) The charedi world just does not seem to have very much connection with Torah anymore.Avraham https://www.blogger.com/profile/07822433921393627746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-13027725069905448372012-03-01T05:06:31.681-05:002012-03-01T05:06:31.681-05:00>> will be met with violent outbursts that w...>> will be met with violent outbursts that will lead only to more public chilul HaShem?<br /><br />Such violent outbursts should be met with tanks already. If they wanna act like a middle eastern sheikhdom they can be treated like one.SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.com