tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post8169820473336714046..comments2024-01-30T12:26:03.019-05:00Comments on The Blog of Garnel Ironheart: Going Nowhere FastMighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-49676665813282301372008-11-04T15:26:00.000-05:002008-11-04T15:26:00.000-05:00"So B"H for them I guess?"Ironic, isn't it?"So B"H for them I guess?"<BR/><BR/>Ironic, isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-15795786318597806602008-11-04T13:28:00.000-05:002008-11-04T13:28:00.000-05:00100% agreement there.Back in the mid 80's my fathe...100% agreement there.<BR/><BR/>Back in the mid 80's my father was already saying that if the Arabs just left us alone for long enough, we'd do ourselves in.<BR/><BR/>So B"H for them I guess?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-622418489000651602008-11-04T12:35:00.000-05:002008-11-04T12:35:00.000-05:00"Can a state be run according to halachah without ..."Can a state be run according to halachah without it devolving into a fundamentalist society?"<BR/><BR/>Hmmm. As far as I can see from the Charedim, I'm not even sure that a religion can be run according to halachah without it devolving into a fundamentalist organization of which I'm less and less inclined to be a part.<BR/><BR/>As to the balance of the issue, is there a distinction between "Torah values" and halachah? Perhaps those values can be incorporated... but, in the end, yes, Israel's existence is very questionable. It's trapped in an existential crisis of its own creation-- it became a "Jewish state" without ever having a clear notion of what that is.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I think that if the Arabs really wanted to destroy Israel, they could simply make peace, apologize for their past behavior, step back and allow Israeli society to implode of its own accord.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-25604471372995076152008-11-04T10:15:00.000-05:002008-11-04T10:15:00.000-05:00A question to be asked then is: Can a state be run...A question to be asked then is: Can a state be run according to halachah without it devolving into a fundamentalist society?<BR/><BR/>I don't know if, given the current religious leadership, that's possible.<BR/><BR/>I do knowk, however, that there are lots of seforim that have looked at the issue and that without an emphasis on Jewish Torah values, Israel's existence becomes very questionable.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1097749014220347853.post-2926064304465910722008-11-04T09:31:00.000-05:002008-11-04T09:31:00.000-05:00I think you're touching on a serious existential i...I think you're touching on a serious existential issue for Israel. I don't think the majority of Israelis have any interest in living in a state run within the bounds of halachah.<BR/><BR/>Which does beg the question of what it means (or ought to mean) to be a "Jewish" state...<BR/><BR/>I don't have the answer. I think Israel's founders would have answered the question in a very ethnic sort of way, but I'm not sure that's a valid answer, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com